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Vic Dicara (of hardcore band 108) breaks down Krsna Conscious

Below is a re-post from the guitarist of one of my favorite hardcore bands, 108.
Vic is a musician and devotee of KRSNA (Krishna).
This faith continues to intrigue me because I see SO many paralells between the way that Vic talks about his understanding of KRSNA and the Vedas and the way I understand Christ and the Gospel. The two aren’t totally congruent, but I still feel really enriched by reading about Dicara’s faith.

Visit his blog at http://vicd108.wordpress.com

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How do you explain Krsna Consciousness to people with no idea what it is?

About 15 minutes ago a respectable friend of mine told me that he is going to a university to explain Krsna-Consciousness to a group of students with little to no prior exposure to it or even to global religions. He asked for my suggestion on a class outline. Here is what I came up with.

1) What is the meaning of life?

Let them offer suggestions.

Then say “Raso Vai Sah” and “Ananda Moya Abhyasat” and explain that Vedic wisdom says that the meaning of life is to relish joy and bliss – to be happy.

Suggest that the validity of this answer is self-evident.

2) Explain the 4 goals of life, as different milestones or facets of understanding how to attain that goal.

Kama – happiness through sensations, Artha – happiness through security (to stabilize our ability to enjoy quality sensations), Dharma – happiness through morality (to cooperate with one another so that no one wants, and thus no one steals our enjoyable sensations), and Moksha – happiness through enlightenment (to attain an enjoyable sensation beyond the confinement of this world, i.e. time).

3) Explain the 5th goals of life, Prema.

After exploring all 4 goals we evolve to understand that joy does not come by having enjoyment, rather it comes by giving enjoyment. Prema means, love, and love is the desire to give enjoyment to the beloved.

4) Explain the proper vishaya for prema.

Once we understand love it also has to evolve to find the most joyous and blissful person to love (“Vishaya”). First we will love a limited person, but (a) that excludes other persons, and (b) that person is temporary and (c) that person has faults. Eventually to fully realize the meaning of life we seek love of God.

5) Explain the 5 stages of love of God.

At first love of god is merely an awestruck wonder at God’s position – shanta rasa. Then it can evolve to actually interacting with that awe-inspiring and worshipable being – dasya rasa.

These are the common conceptions of God, but beyond that are secret conceptions that are rare. The 3rd stage is where love of Godhead evolves so that we interact with Godhead without the limitations imposed on the relationship as a result of God beings so, “God-like” and imposing. This is Sakhya Rasa.

It can evolve beyond that so that the love intensifies so much that one expresses superiority to the beloved and takes care of him like a parent takes care of a child. This is Vatsalya Rasa.

It can finally evolve to the most intimate state, in which there are no limitations whatsoever on the intimacy of one’s joyous blissful loving relationship with God. This is romantic divine love – the sweetest bliss – therefore called Madhurya Rasa.

Mention that there are further evolutions within that category beyond the scope of current discussion.

6) Name the Vishaya.

There are various forms of Godhead to reciprocate with various people in various relationships. But the higher three relationships become more exclusively focused on the original, intimate form of Godhead known as Krsna, the “all attractive.” Krsna is Godhead at his most open and intimate.

7) Now the sadhya (goal) as been explained, so next explain the sadhana (means to achieve it): Nothing but love creates love. Therefore to attain divine love one needs only to practice it. (sadhana-bhakti-yoga).

The practice mainly centers on Sravana-Kirtana-Smarana: hearing about the beloved, and speaking about the beloved – with the effect of remembering the beloved.

There are many ways of doing this, but extra emphasis is given on the most effective way: nama-sankirtana – coming together with others who desire to love Krsna and together singing and listening to songs about Krsna, especially about his sweet name.

There is one particular Mantra, the “maha-mantra” especially suited and empowered for this practice:

Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna
Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama
Rama Rama, Hare Hare

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Sadhu Ninda (the offense of Saints)

I follow a guy named Vic DiCara on google reader. He’s the songwriting force of many of my favorite hardcore bands and also a devout follower of Krsna and member of ISKCON (International Society of Krsna Conciousness). In studying world religions, I’ve found so many beautiful parallels between my faith and the faith of those seeking enlightenment through Vedic study.

DiCara writes:

The urge will be there to say, “God, what is wrong with this guy? Why wont he forgive me?” Or, “You know, if she was really all that ‘saintly’ she would not have taken this insult so seriously to begin with.” These thoughts are complete illusions that I must avoid at all costs!

Another doubt, “How can you say he is a ‘saint’? Look what he did!!! How is it an ‘offense’ to point out to you what a cheater this man is!?! If the person was truly a ‘saint’ I would have nothing ill to point out in the first place!”

Thus the important question: Who is “saintly”?

People who behave poorly, who are fallen, deceitful, egotistical, bodily conscious, drunks, cruel, irreligious, uncultured, mean, greedy, attached and illusioned are actually liberated souls if they merely take shelter of Govinda’s feet. [Padma Purana 4.25.9, quoted in Hari Bhakti Vilas 11.655]

If you’re a professed Christian (or even if your not) read the rest of his piece on the offending of Saints and see if you draw the same inspiration from it in terms of inter-relational church functions as I did.

Part of being a Christian is believing that the path to salvation ultimately lies only with Jesus, which I profess. However, I also believe that their is one G-d and that all truth belongs to him. In that, I see a lot of Vic’s blog as teaching me so much about my own faith, though we don’t necessarily share the same theology.

Read the rest here

*Note for those that read Vic’s blog:

Bhakti is a yoga (yolk) that basically means humble service. It’s the yoga most often associated with Christ (in my limited expirience).

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Religion is so HARD!

Having switched my minor to Religious Studies, I have been in this Intro to Old Testament class thinking that Judeo/Christian theology is confusing.

Then I started reading this book on Krsna that I got from a monk in Carytown.

It’s like religious quantum physics.
Kudos to you, devotees of The Supreme Personality of Godhead. I almost wish I had to read my Bible with four web browser windows open just to begin to understand it.


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